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		<title>By: Dave Stoltz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave Stoltz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Aug 2010 11:42:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m currently struggling with a client, who I&#039;m depending on week after week, to supply me with preferences and requirements for her online store. I&#039;ve learned one very important lesson with this client, which I will share below.

My contracts for web sites all demand 1/3 payment, upfront, non-refundable to start work. This usually covers my expenses. Typically, the other 2/3 is due at go-live.

This is now changing thanks to my current client. The new contract will be as such:

1/3 non-refundable deposit to start work, the next 1/3 will be due at some agreeable milestone, such as a date, or when the site is online ready for testing. The remaining 1/3 will be due at go-live.

Most clients are great, some, not so much. But I think this type of payment milestone system will help keep their attention.

-my 2 cents</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m currently struggling with a client, who I&#8217;m depending on week after week, to supply me with preferences and requirements for her online store. I&#8217;ve learned one very important lesson with this client, which I will share below.</p>
<p>My contracts for web sites all demand 1/3 payment, upfront, non-refundable to start work. This usually covers my expenses. Typically, the other 2/3 is due at go-live.</p>
<p>This is now changing thanks to my current client. The new contract will be as such:</p>
<p>1/3 non-refundable deposit to start work, the next 1/3 will be due at some agreeable milestone, such as a date, or when the site is online ready for testing. The remaining 1/3 will be due at go-live.</p>
<p>Most clients are great, some, not so much. But I think this type of payment milestone system will help keep their attention.</p>
<p>-my 2 cents</p>
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		<title>By: Jon Harvey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jon Harvey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Jul 2010 23:42:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is an issue we&#039;ve struggled with at times: going from being happily booked for weeks on end, to paradoxically sitting around with little to do, waiting for customers to get back with feedback/comments/content etc!

Generally speaking, to overcome this, more, concurrent projects are undertaken, or rates are increased slightly to compensate, or (for projects which look like they may run over or have these problems), ask for a larger deposit up front - at least this means some costs are covered.  If projects are delayed for quite a while, we&#039;ll politely ask to be paid for what we&#039;ve done so far (on that point, we tend to break medium-large projects into smaller phases which makes it easier for customers to sign off chunks of work, and/or, for us to invoice for those chunks if anything gets delayed or goes wrong)... we&#039;re still learning though!

I also keep a few ideas for projects in the pot so if we go through a quiet patch we can experiment wtih those!

   Jon</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is an issue we&#8217;ve struggled with at times: going from being happily booked for weeks on end, to paradoxically sitting around with little to do, waiting for customers to get back with feedback/comments/content etc!</p>
<p>Generally speaking, to overcome this, more, concurrent projects are undertaken, or rates are increased slightly to compensate, or (for projects which look like they may run over or have these problems), ask for a larger deposit up front &#8211; at least this means some costs are covered.  If projects are delayed for quite a while, we&#8217;ll politely ask to be paid for what we&#8217;ve done so far (on that point, we tend to break medium-large projects into smaller phases which makes it easier for customers to sign off chunks of work, and/or, for us to invoice for those chunks if anything gets delayed or goes wrong)&#8230; we&#8217;re still learning though!</p>
<p>I also keep a few ideas for projects in the pot so if we go through a quiet patch we can experiment wtih those!</p>
<p>   Jon</p>
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		<title>By: admin</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Jul 2010 15:30:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Adam, I agree with you about those two scenarios.  Unfortunately, if they don&#039;t book in the time they need, often times I can&#039;t accommodate those last minute requests and must tell them so.  I think you&#039;re right about the job security too!  

p.s. Don&#039;t worry about it; I know you do your best to use your booked time, and understand what I&#039;m going through :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Adam, I agree with you about those two scenarios.  Unfortunately, if they don&#8217;t book in the time they need, often times I can&#8217;t accommodate those last minute requests and must tell them so.  I think you&#8217;re right about the job security too!  </p>
<p>p.s. Don&#8217;t worry about it; I know you do your best to use your booked time, and understand what I&#8217;m going through <img src='http://www.safetygoat.co.uk/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Darren Azzopardi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Darren Azzopardi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Jul 2010 14:54:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I personally charge for the whole project but in the contract I state my hourly rate.

When I get clients who overtime gradually change things here and there, apart from find disorientating I&#039;ll ask that we meet up and regain focus. 

I&#039;ll let them know I&#039;m happy to be paid by the hour but they would find it beneficial if they can sit down and rethink their strategy. As from experience this happens when they haven&#039;t really got a plan or the person who is my point of contact isn&#039;t the real person with the final word.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I personally charge for the whole project but in the contract I state my hourly rate.</p>
<p>When I get clients who overtime gradually change things here and there, apart from find disorientating I&#8217;ll ask that we meet up and regain focus. </p>
<p>I&#8217;ll let them know I&#8217;m happy to be paid by the hour but they would find it beneficial if they can sit down and rethink their strategy. As from experience this happens when they haven&#8217;t really got a plan or the person who is my point of contact isn&#8217;t the real person with the final word.</p>
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		<title>By: Adam Charnock</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adam Charnock</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Jul 2010 12:56:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Kat! This is a very good question :)

Personally, I think that the threat of charging for unused time is a very good one. I expect that the client would either a) get their act in gear, or b) be more conservative in the booking of your time.

I would imagine that &#039;a&#039; is preferable, but you may find that &#039;b&#039; results in more last-minute requests. I am not sure.

As a freelance developer, I have often wondered why people are willing to pay me much more than an equivalent full-time wage. I think a part of the answer is that I have no real job security (in that they can cancel at a moments notice, or even simply not pay an invoice). So part of the reason I can charge more is that I need to be able to cover my costs when this happens.

I hope that helps!

Adam

PS. Disclaimer: Kat&#039;s work-free week is somewhat due to our startup, sorry Kat! :(</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Kat! This is a very good question <img src='http://www.safetygoat.co.uk/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Personally, I think that the threat of charging for unused time is a very good one. I expect that the client would either a) get their act in gear, or b) be more conservative in the booking of your time.</p>
<p>I would imagine that &#8216;a&#8217; is preferable, but you may find that &#8216;b&#8217; results in more last-minute requests. I am not sure.</p>
<p>As a freelance developer, I have often wondered why people are willing to pay me much more than an equivalent full-time wage. I think a part of the answer is that I have no real job security (in that they can cancel at a moments notice, or even simply not pay an invoice). So part of the reason I can charge more is that I need to be able to cover my costs when this happens.</p>
<p>I hope that helps!</p>
<p>Adam</p>
<p>PS. Disclaimer: Kat&#8217;s work-free week is somewhat due to our startup, sorry Kat! <img src='http://www.safetygoat.co.uk/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':(' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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